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Excerpts of the proceedings
of the seminar
OPENING SESSION
Welcome remarks by Ananda Srestha
Dev Raj Dahal: The roles of the state,
market and civil society are confusing for many. Each of the
components in the society creates their own sphere of knowledge.
The role of policymaker here is to avoid conflict among these
actors. The political crisis in Nepal is basically the manifestation
of the structural conflicts, aggravated by these forces, which
the policymaker failed to reign in. Seminars like these are
crucial in helping us understand and resolve the crises.
When the state gets embedded in the market,
it cannot work for social welfare. Politics embedded in the
market erodes public interest articulation. The market provides
goods to the society, the civil society does so on a smaller
scale and the state helps do so in a justiceable manner.
Civil society is supposed to act as a buffer
between the market and the state but that has not happened in
Nepal. This is the major challenge for governance in Nepal today.
Security is the primary responsibility in
governance. Law and order comes after that, but it has to be
wrapped around the need to impart social justice. The third
basic governance task is the smooth supply of goods and services
to the people. This is the topic of discussion today.
In Nepal, one school of thought believes that
we have not yet reached the state of a humanitarian crisis.
But pessimists argue that a perpetuation of the conflict could
lead to one. The media has reported food crisis in remote areas;
so it does have its role in making the supply smooth. But the
media too is divided with little reach in the remote areas where
the supply crunch is most severe.
There needs to be a polycentric service delivery
mechanism. If the state cannot reach a particular area, the
market must take on the challenge. And where the two cannot,
the civil society should take up the responsibility. But for
this, coordination, communication and action are necessary.
The market must be de-linked from partisan politics, particularly
to reach the needy.
SESSION I
Presentation I
Chair: Mohan Man Sainju
Author: Guna Nidhi Sharma
Presentation: State vs. Market in Social Supply Nets
FLOOR DISCUSSION
Ram Kumar Dahal: You need to make some
corrections in the references.
Bisnhu Upreti: The recommendations
that the supply commission, that you headed, made in the past
will not work in the present context.
Gopal Pokharel: Guna Nidhi Sharma provides
the theoretical knowledge, but it would be better to look at
how Nepal is practising them to find out the problems and their
solutions. Are we reaching the needy? Can the state do so? Do
we need a re-orientation?
On Page 5, you talk of exploitation of the needy people and
natural resources. Please clarify.
Sadmukh Thapa: You talk of three models.
Also we have the western model, the Chinese model and the Indian
model. Which one should Nepal follow?
Bharat Pokhrel: You talk of private
markets. Does it mean that government markets also exist elsewhere?
How has our political economy emerged and what kind does the
paper uphold?
You say the Marxism influence took over in 20th century, while
Marx's Das Kapital came long before that.
There is a difference between neo-classical and new-classical.
The former is the old while the latter is a recent phenomenon.
The essence of the title, delivery in remote areas, is not dwelt
upon.
Uma Shanker: Do you think that the
market is not properly working after the conflict started? If
so, is not today's liberal policy a contradictory policy?
We have not identified the poor in Nepal. First, we need to
identify them before devising a PDS.
Keshav Raj Acharya: I do not subscribe
to the public vs. private debate in countries like ours. If
we can utilize our resources fully, employment problems would
disappear. Hence, arguments of crowding-out or crowding-in of
resources do not hold much water.
Liberalization is taken as a utopia, but in fact, in our case,
this is not so. Regulation becomes more and more complex as
liberalization progresses and the challenge grows. For example,
the rise in petroleum prices had more than its share of impact
because of syndication among transporters. Here, regulation
clearly did not work to suit the interest of the market.
Supply disruption has been aggravating, insurance premium since
9/11 gone up and the life of Nepalese getting harder.
Chuda B. Shrestha: The problem of supply
in a conflict situation is difficult. This is aggravated by
the economically displaced who shift to urban areas, thus challenging
urban supply systems as well.
Militants and robbers disrupt supply lines. This needs to be
taken care of.
Micro-financing for backward communities for self-employment
would be a good pilot project to start with.
Reply by Guna Nidhi Sharma
On Ram Kumar Dahal's suggestion on references, I thank him.
I agree that my paper is just conceptual. Is that not our job
as academicians? To provide concepts? I have provided three
conceptual models.
On Bharat Pokhrel's query, today we take even Milton Friedman
as a neo-classicist. Today's literature is not confined to yesterday's
definitions.
On Sadmukh Thapa's question, I have called for a growth and
distribution oriented system. We cannot sustain any lopsided
system because Nepal is a diverse country. Imbalances in one
area will bring about imbalances in other sectors, even social
sectors. This is not anything new but something that has been
emphasized by academics of even the past. The state's upper
hand always exists. We cannot therefore allow the market to
have a free hand in our case.
Chuda Shrestha's dichotomy of the supply system, between urban
and rural supply, will I hope be dealt with by later presenters.
Paper II
Presenter: Vidya Nath Nepal
Genesis of Nepal's Distribution System
FLOOR DISCUSSION
Prem Sharma: The paper provides empirical
knowledge and covers a lot. But the author talks about problems
of godowns which is not the actual case. Consumers have had
to return home because of stock and management problems of the
supply system, not because of godwon problems.
I do not believe that road networks are an answer to strengthening
the supply system, but I do agree that local production needs
to be enhanced. If people do not have food, awareness, education
or road networks do not help at all.
In this age of globalization, there cannot be investment in
areas where it is not profitable. Infrastructure alone does
not help investment. I have seen villages developed in every
sense but people fleeing the area.
Sadmukh B. Thapa: The United Nations
millennium development goals are rumoured to possibly remain
unmet. What are the reasons?
Bharat Pokhrel: The data used by the
author appears wrong. What is the number of semi-remote areas?
You have missed out on millet. The food deficit ended in 1999
and we have a food balance at the moment. Food reached 75 per
cent of the population until the King took over and only 45
per cent of the people are reachable today. Also only 44 per
cent of the population is accessible by road. How will you carry
out your SWOT under such circumstances?
Keshav P. Acharya: Is the Agriculture
Input Corporation included in the supply system? Do all of the
PEs receive subsidies?
Is the distribution of petroleum products part of the basic
supplies system? Seeking subsidies in petroleum does injustice
as only urban areas consume most of it. Also, Indian consumers
benefit from subsidized petrol prices as they cross the border
to fill.
Lal Babu Yadav: Saying that rice was
exported before but not today, does not give an accurate picture
of the food deficit scenario. Much of the exportable rice goes
to the hills today.
Uma Shanker: What is the share of PDS
in total consumption? PDS is related with poverty, and we only
talk of the mountains when we talk of PDS. There are poor people
in other areas. We need to reform the PDS.
Ram Kumar Dahal: On the one hand we
are talking of minimizing the role of the state and initiating
privatization. How should the state behave regarding the three
products?
Gopal Pokhrel: What is the present
state of political economy in Nepal? What are the necessary
components needed to uphold it? Only then can we devise a system
based on that.
Even Kathmanduites are deprived of basic commodities like water.
Also there needs to be coordination between academicians and
policymakers.
Mere saying that we need to balance the private and public sectors
is not enough. What is the right balance?
Chuda B. Shrestha: Growth rate came
down to 0.8 per cent in 2002. Other economic statistics declined
as well. In India, they were working comprehensively on the
PDS in their northern belt during that time.
How do we devise the PDS during conflict, during migration and
natural disasters? These are all problems that we are facing.
Khelbar Shrestha [Nepal Food Corporation]:
NFC has its networks even in remote districts. Please amend
the language in your paper regarding that. The paper also says
there is no storage facility in remote areas. It would have
been better if you say that they are inadequate.
NFC provides subsidy only for transportation of foodstuff. This
year 230 million rupees have been made available for the purpose.
During times of natural calamities we keep buffer stocks. The
government policy is to let the private sector take over the
PDS. Only where the private sector does not go, does the government
have to go. As soon as a road network is built, the government
will pull out from those remote areas.
Bihari Krishna Shrestha: Only those
with access to power are taken care of by the supply system.
But supplies should reach the poor and should be affordable.
Is our PDS fulfilling those conditions? This leads us to the
governance system.
Looking at the handing over of the community forestry and the
resultant success it achieved both in the governance of the
forestry and the distribution of forest products, we can say
that delegation of authority will ultimately improve the system.
Roads have not always proved to be better in enhancing food
production as people have found cheaper alternatives at their
doorsteps.
The author recommends on what to do 'as soon as possible'. We
all know that that will never happen.
Shanta Pokhrel: The paper does not
deal with the conflict situation adequately, and instead only
appears to perpetuate the government viewpoint. Local production
does not guarantee local consumption, for example the Mustang
apple. We need access to transport infrastructure. It is the
government that is responsible for that, and not the private
sector or the civil society that only looks after its own self-interest.
The supply bottlenecks were there even before the conflict was
there. The conflict has only proved to be a convenient veil
to justify the actual supply weaknesses.
Also the government is talking about transferring people away
from areas where production is not sustainable. Why not work
on making them sustainable by opening up income generating opportunities.
Reply by Vidya Nath Nepal
The two questions I was given to write on are: the genesis of
the PDS and its compatibility with the 21st century thinking
on the supply system. It is natural that I did not answer a
lot of your concerns.
Let me tell you that I am not part of the government at the
moment.
Transport alone is not enough, but it does have its impact on
production, consumption and the society.
The 2005 MDG progress report says that reaching the goal of
a hunger free society is 'potentially possible' and reduction
of poverty 'possible'.
Regarding data, in Nepal, unless one verifies the available
data, one would easily be misled.
I did not include the Agriculture Input Corporation as I was
more concerned with the PDS and food supply.
The percentage of PDS in the total consumption is 56,000 quintals
of rice and that is very very negligible.
I am not saying that the poor in the Tarai should not be addressed.
The problem is that we have a bigger challenge in the mountains.
Still, we need to take care of the Tarai poverty problems as
well.
The mandate I was given did not particularly focus on the conflict,
but generally for all situations.
I am not trying to marginalize the Food Corporation. I was only
saying that the Salt Trading Corporation is doing better.
I also think that, apart from subsidies, the purchasing power
of the consumer also needs to be increased.
When I talk of SWOT analysis, it is with the aim to get rid
of the redundant agencies. It would dissolve PEs like the National
Trading Limited.
Mohan Man Sainju's remarks from the chair
How have we looked at the service delivery and how do we change
it to suit the conflict context. This is a good question and
the authors have tried to answer them well.
Conceptually, Guna Nidhi Sharma's has changed the state versus
market argument into a complementarity perspective. Neither
is the supply system a social justice issue alone.
The subsidies provided to food supply amount to billions spent
over the years. But the government also needs to be more efficient
using its resources. The state has to pull out as the market
makes inroads. Regulation is needed to make the market socially
responsible. This is catching on. Even FNCCI has come out with
its code accepting social responsibility.
We have seen that liberalization has not been coupled with meeting
the regulatory challenges. The petroleum price hike was seen
to result in a higher price rise than it should have. Existing
regulation was not able to take care of all the impacts that
petroleum prices might have had. Lack of proper regulations
can distort such effects either way.
Development is not only a growth and income issue, but also
on concerning human development and human rights. This is the
paradigm shift regarding the target population. The Tenth Plan
talks about a broad based growth, not just growth. This means
that the growth needs to touch the poor and the marginalized
as well. Just because we have good nursing hospitals and private
boarding schools because of liberalization does not mean that
the poor have access to them. Also important is local participation.
Today, we have the conflict as an added complexity in development.
The conflict has demolished even the inadequate infrastructure--health
posts, schools, hydel, telecommunications and suspension bridges.
Secondly, the state incapacity to increase the development spending
became stark because even the already allocated amount could
not be spent because of the conflict. Third, people are being
displaced from remote areas and villages, robbing the productive
force from where it is most necessary. Fourth, the delivery
mechanism which was already inefficient now faces the challenge
of becoming even more efficient in the added context of conflict.
In Nepal, the stakeholder's role in decision making has to be
enhanced, like is happening in community forestry. The 260 case
studies done recently covering most public infrastructure have
shown that wherever community initiated projects have come up,
they have become most successful. The studies also showed that
such projects were the most cost-effective. Such projects were
also more sustainable than others.
Regarding the Poverty Alleviation Fund, it had three objectives
with respect to the target population. We tried to include the
most needy as the target. We saw that caste, ethnicity and gender
are significant factors in development. We therefore began targetting
the Dalit, ethnic janjatis and women.
We also involved the stakeholders in the programmes.
The fund flow mechanism was also revised to allow 85 per cent
of the funds reach the target.
These three points show us that there has to be a drastic change
of track on the service delivery mechanism that we have.
SESSION II
Presentation 3
Chair: Govinda Dhakal
Paper: Vidya Bir Singh Kansakar
FLOOR DISCUSSION
Guna Nidhi Sharma: The financial infrastructure
aspect has not been discussed by the paper.
Prem Sharma: Who was bringing in arms to Nepal?
And how was Toni Hagen involved?
You also talk of using Tibet for supplies to Nepal just like
we used to do through India in the past.
Would it be possible to snatch rice away from mountain people
at this stage?
Ram Kumar Dahal: What would be the
sectors that we could learn from Tibet?
Sadmukh B. Thapa: According to the
Chinese master plan, Tibet is undergoing infrastructure development.
By 2030 there will be additional railway and road networks in
Tibet. But, we will have only three roads to Tibet, in spite
of the fact that nine such routes are possible. There are plans
also about a Silk Road or the Asian Highway. You are a geographer;
how feasible would be the nine proposed highways to Tibet from
Nepal?
Keshav P. Acharya: Infrastructure is
one of the pre-conditions for development. If we can develop
clusters in the sparsely populated areas, development would
be easier. Is it possible?
Uma Shanker: The budget structure of
the government shows that the mountainous area gets the highest
share in per capita allocation. I think it is corruption that
has led to this situation.
Sushma Acharya: The mountainous areas
are rich in resources, so rich that it is hard to imagine. But
we see the differences in the ability to exploit the resources
between China and us, if we just travel to Tibet and compare.
Why have we not realized these potentials so far?
Habibullah: The paper includes Nepal's
political history. What is it that we should have done to realize
our potential? How do we resolve the insurgency where even international
forces are involved?
Keshav Khadka: Yes, the remote areas
are not a liability but an asset. But still, this paper also
avoids discussing the conflict that the seminar promises. Which
model do we need to adopt to allow these resources to be exploited
for the needy by depending on Tibet? So far we have been depending
on India.
We have a lot of displaced people in then urban areas as well.
It is not just the people of remote areas who are needy. How
do we fulfill their needs?
Jagannath Ojha: What were the bases
of declaring 'remote areas'? If socio-economic indicators and
other indicators were included to do so, supplementary budgets
would help development. Mustang is prosperous and does not need
to be called 'remote'.
Chuda B. Shrestha: I do not know whether
the new demarcation of remote areas are done by including communities
as well. If we can facilitate local participation in schools,
civil service and other sectors, apart from saving on government
allocation, the local people would benefit.
Secondly, do you see potential in horticulture?
Bhola Pokhrel: Remote area people are
not included in development. Needs are assessed by the elite
in Kathmandu. How we include them in the development process
should be the most important question that needs to be answered.
Talking of using the Chinese routes to replace the Indian one
is simply looking at the same 60s concept in a different manner.
They should be allowed to assess their own needs.
Pancha N. Maharjen: Implicating America
in the Maoist issue by generalizing the Rapti project and Toni
Hagen's case appears too hypothetical. Did you observe actual
indicators or are you just making generalizations?
We will have to look at the genesis of the communist movement
in Nepal. It was formed in India. It was the political rivalry
with BP Koirala that made Pushpa Lal open the Communist Party
and not ideological belief. The Jhapa movement was a purely
Naxalite influence.
Reply by Vidya Bir Kansakar
The Maoist movement began because of the failure of development
programmes then. The Rapti programme was a huge failure. We
do not see any plan setting goals like employment of a certain
number of people.
If the National Assembly can be turned into a political institution
to represent the marginalized people and ethnic groups, their
voice can be heard.
More than corruption, it is the costs involved in working in
remote areas- for example transport costs and employee pay-
are too high sending the costs skyward.
Resource mapping has not been carried out for their proper exploitation.
This is necessary. If we focus just on present demand patterns
and merely work to meet them, it may not be possible. More needs
to be done.
State facilities are being enjoyed only by the well-off, and
not the really needy.
Also political leaders have played a major role in discouraging
the youth from involving themselves in nation-building. Even
Tribhuvan University students doing the National Development
Service work were stopped, robbing them from the opportunity
to do so.
We have not been able to use the existing roads and passes to
Tibet, forget about the potential to develop nine of them.
We have not heard anyone dying from hunger in Nepal, but in
India there are many doing so. Businessmen have capitalized
on this difference.
There are records proving the infiltration of arms during the
Khampa uprising. Toni Hagen's persona non grata case too is
well known.
We need to increase employment opportunities. No country can
develop by exporting its manpower.
Chairman Govinda Dhakal's remarks
The paper describes the challenges in the development of Nepal
and proposes using Tibetan routes to counter them. Such remote
are our areas that we did not even know arms air-drops during
the Khampa uprising when it happened. Others had to inform us
about those activities.
We are applying the dependency theory on remote societies. We
should have focussed on sovereignty by tying them up with the
local resources.
If you relate the present situation with the conflict, the paper
would have been even better.
In Rapti, the local youth were very highly paid. But once the
Rapti Valley project went, frustration mounted and may have
contributed to the conflict. But that alone may not be the factor.
DAY II
SESSION I
Paper 4
Chair: Yub Raj Pandey
Presenter Jagannath Ojha
Paper: Institutional Arrangement for Distribution of Basic Goods
and Services in Conflict Areas
FLOOR DISCUSSION
Ram Kumar Dahal: What could the advantage
to the supply side brought on by the conflict?
How do we manage the basic goods suppliers [govt.corp] in the
conflict situation?
Prem Sharma: Are political parties
still feudal as during the feudal lords' times?
You talk of monitoring and evaluation. But we do not have adequate
legal provisions to check irregularities and corruption in local
level development programmes.
The models you provide on Page 9 should also provide one for
programme execution.
M. Habibullah: You talk of failure
of the old leadership and say that the new leadership has not
matured. You also talk of ethnic separatism and sub-nationalism.
How do we resolve this, as it is a vital factor of conflict?
Vidya Bir Kansakar: Decentralization
should include all sectors, not just government. More importantly,
authority, accountability and less interference should be delegated
by the centre to the local level.
You talk of National Trading Ltd. But the genesis of the agency
was that it was created to take care of the grant aid from Russia
and China.
Salt Trading Corp. works well because the government does not
interfere too much with it.
The buffer zone that you talk about should instead be a relocation
of the district headquarters, from the perspective of service
delivery. The headquarters that we have today are handed down
from the Rana times. Also the number of district headquarters
must be revised. Why have three headquarters in the Kathmandu
Valley?
The government should make laws and rules that make NGO services
sustainable, instead of the one-time service they are championing
these days. Whether it is the land reform programme, the Rapti
project or the New Education Plan, none of them were sustained
for long and became a major contributor to the conflict. The
Americans also specialized in getting into sectors that we did
not have. However, the farm research centres are an example
of need-based projects that they brought for Nepal.
My question is: What is the situation of law and order in areas
where there is government or in areas where there are government
agencies?
Uma Shanker: Could you provide data
on the share of contribution of the various organizations, from
the local level right up to the centre, in service delivery?
Raghav Raj Regmi: The paper does institutional
mapping well, but the analytical part is weak. It would have
been better to sort out the issues for analysis rather than
taking up individual institutions to do so.
It also appears to give an impression that service delivery
was good before the conflict started.
You talk of food deficit, but do not provide the trend of the
deficit over time.
You talk of public-private partnership which is possible only
when their core competencies have been identified and addressed.
You have not talked of donors who are the major actors today.
We should also talk of sectoral weaknesses otherwise such silence
too becomes hypocrisy or dishonesty.
How is the doling out of money by donors contributing to the
conflict? This too needs to be answered for a resolution.
It is not that the government has not done anything. Public
hearing, citizen's charter and other initiatives have also been
institutionalized. Talking only of the weaknesses of the government
and the strengths of the NGOs is not fair.
Guna Nidhi Sharma: I feel the paper
does not meet the theme of the seminar. It focuses more on development
rather than the institutions. The theme is to do with distribution-bias
but your paper shows development-bias. You do not talk of PDS
in the paper. Starvation, public health crisis like cholera
and flu, and the like issues should have been focussed more.
Your paper concentrates on organized institutions but does not
talk of unorganized ones like the Guthi which need to be formalized.
Such informal social networks and agencies include even the
Maoists.
We only talk of physical and social infrastructure while discussing
development, but ignore the financial infrastructure. Absence
of banks in an area robs the salarymen of their pay in a timely
manner. Also micro-credit institutions should be devised in
'remote areas that lie at the heart of urban centres'.
Lal Babu Yadav: You talk of conflict
between the state and the Maoists, but there is another party
that is out in the streets. Which side have you lumped them
with?
You talk of traditional social workers as feudal, but there
are those who are sheer volunteers.
Karnali Zone still suffers from neglect.
You do not appear to mention the zonal institutions while talking
about regional, district and village institutions.
The Local Government Act only envisages delegation of authority
to local institutions, not devolution, as it can be dissolved
by the centre.
How can one make the local bodies more effective in service
delivery?
Chetana Lokshum: How do we provide
basic needs and services to conflict victims? Access must be
made easy for them. We have seen that administrative neglect
have pushed many of them towards seeking Maoist services rather
than state services, at least in Rolpa. In other countries we
see youngsters divert their attention to crime. This makes orientation
programmes for the young victims a must.
The most obvious problems in the conflict situation are not
addressed and they are to do with the psychological trauma.
Rabindra Khanal: You talk of buffer
zones to be set up and dismantling of existing district boundaries.
Kansakar talks about relocation. Wouldn't mobile services be
a better idea, as we know that relocation will ultimately lead
to the same problem over time.
As long as local development ministry handles local government,
it is going to have development bias. The units should rather
work as local parliaments. For this, local government has to
be under the parliament.
How do you widen the tax net? Why increase grants if they cannot
be spent?
Regarding donors, I also agree that their role in intensifying
the conflict must be put under the spotlight. They spent too
much when there was no capacity, thus increasing the gulf between
the haves and have-nots, e.g. disparities in lifestyles and
the like.
It is better for the centre to keep its hands off local issues,
but there are areas where the centre does have a role.
Chuda B. Shrestha: You may have to
replace the 'government institutions' terminology with 'state
institutions'.
Mobile courts would help execute justice in conflict areas.
In fact, the Maoists have been able to attract a lot of local
people to their Jana Adalat for speedy justice, while the government
is lax in that regard. Similarly, elections should be held as
quickly as possible to have the people represented. Community
policing can help improve law and order. Demarcation of local
government in developed countries includes socio-political factors,
social service delivery and other dimensions as well. In Nepal,
the 205 constituencies have been demarcated in such a manner
as to force people to travel through another constituency to
reach their own local institutions. In some parts conflict arose
because of demarcation of constituencies or villages.
We may need to restructure the PDS to meet the needs of conflict
victims.
Govinda Dhakal: What were the functions
that should have been carried out by the institutions and how
has the conflict affected those functions? Only answers to those
questions can address the weaknesses and strengths of the institutions.
For this a case study must be carried out in conflict areas.
The citations and references that you provide do not appear
to be related to the text that you provide.
Maheswarman Shrestha: The paper does
not appear to justify the theme. In fact, the issues that you
provide have little to do with a conflict situation, although
they may be relevant for a post-conflict or pre-conflict situation.
Also the paper does not talk about service delivery by the insurgents.
Although the state makes deliveries as well, those caught in
the conflict have not received services from any quarter. In
fact they have been attacked by both security forces and Maoists.
We should be talking only of basic goods and services in the
supply system at the moment. The other goods and services are
of less priority.
Keshav Khadka: In Cambodia, a model
of service deliverers was developed linking UN organizations
with the needs on the ground, like health with WHO.
The figures need correcting.
Your approach should address the needs of the people.
Khilanath Dahal: You try to portray
that political openness promoted conflict in Nepal. But, this
does not happen anywhere in the world.
Comparing the conflict with the earlier situation, we see that
there is conflict that also involves political parties. How
acceptable is service delivery when mayors are boycotted. Maybe
we need to include the political parties in service delivery.
Khel Bahadur Shrestha: Food delivery
has become more costly with the conflict as it has had to be
airlifted in many areas. This has not be addressed by the paper.
What could be the role of NGOs in minimizing the conflict and
facilitating supply?
Ujjwal Baral: The private sector is
taken as an effective vehicle, but in Sindhuli, the CDO must
endorse the supply of even minor items like instant noodles.
I feel that such passes by CDOs should not be made mandatory.
Who gives authority to the civil society? Who are they accountable
to and how do they provide the services? I feel it is the community
that is the civil society.
Dev Raj Dahal: The western civil society
organizations are charity based. Ours too were charity based
in the olden days. But the urban, rights based and post-modern
variety are more linked with the state. If they are involved
in addressing the people's needs and rights they are civil,
if not they are evil.
Conflict transforms social actors. For example, ethnicity is
a subsidiary actor, not an actor in itself. They have merged
with the classes in the class conflict.
Nepal's conflict is getting entrenched because the civil society
is not trying to mediate it, they are rather aggravating it.
The media does not try to provide communication between actors
but instead fuelling it.
Donors do have the charity motive in many instances, but they
face the problem of space.
Rudra Upadhya: The process of privatization
should have been discussed by the paper.
Reply by Jagannath Ojha
I will try to orient the paper to give an institutional perspective
from its present development bias. I thank you for the contributions
you have made in enriching the paper.
Presentation 5
Presenter: Ram Kumar Dahal
The Supply of Wage Goods to the Remote Himalayan and Mountain
Districts of Nepal
FLOOR DISCUSSION
Bharat Pokhrel: The title includes
terms like Himalayan and Mountain Regions. How have you demarcated
them?
You talk of salt, food and kerosene. What about other basic
goods?
There is local production and we hear that even a bank has opened
in Rolpa with Maoist initiation. On the other hand, the government
screens goods going to remote areas. This is the state of basic
goods supply. Hence, conflict resolution becomes the first priority.
How will your recommendations help?
Khel Bahadur Shrestha: Food for Work
is not run by Food Corporation. It is run by the Local Development
Ministry.
It is the DDC chairman who heads the committee, not the LDO.
You also mention corruption in the supply system. But speculation
does not do justice to an academic paper. Also, the loans statistics
are not correct. Please verify your facts.
Guna Nidhi Sharma: Presentation should
be more rational than emotional. The title demands focus on
wage goods. Single-use and durable-use goods are a classification
that I do not understand. Classifications should be done along
standards already set and not haphazardly as it creates confusion.
In fact you need not develop or go into such concepts as they
are redundant in the context.
Raghav Raj Regmi: The Food Work Programme
of the ICIW and the Food Corp's food supply has worked to ease
the supply situation. There is a lot of corruption and cartelling
in the food supply. Please, do not hide the fact of corruption.
If you differentiate pharmaceutical supplies along public and
private lines it would be better.
The supplies need to be accessible, affordable, available, of
acceptable quality and adequate-- or the 5 As must be adhered
to. There is also a lot of diversion in the use of the food
supplied- like used by officials and security personnel, or
used to make raksi and the like- instead of being used for the
intended purpose.
Also, there is local import and export. If this local trade
is managed well, a lot of the supply situation would ease.
Uma Shanker: It is widely accepted
that there is huge corruption in the government and public sector.
In some places they do not even want to part with the data they
have.
Prem Sharma: The definition regarding
'wage goods' or Himalayan and Mountain Regions must be addressed.
Is the supply regime solely a government domain or also involves
the private sector?
Reply by Ram Kumar Dahal
I have talked about 'corruption in the past' while I was working
at the Food Corporation. I do not know what is happening today.
I know that there are bad things happening there, but not all
are so.
The data I used were based on the information given to me by
an employee of the NFC.
Rermarks by chairman Yub Raj Pandey
Thank you all
Vote of thanks by Anand Srestha
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